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  How service is being conducted with the zoom meetings

  by newsheep in

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  a friend of ours who is married to a jw said that this morning for service everyone who was on zoom got to do a call while the rest listened in on the call.

  there were thirty-one this morning listening in on one who would call someone to preach to.

  shouldn't the person they are calling on be warned first that there will be so many listening in on their phone call from the zoom meeting.

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  They recently got asked how they'd feel when the authorities came to assasinate them.

  I'm thinking Wacko Texas. They are being psychologically brutalised with fear while all the time being encouraged to annoy the living daylights out of the public.

  The sad thing is some of them mean so well. Several I know who were brought up as Watchtower publishers profoundly question what their parent's did to them. Their conclusion was that it was not possible for their parents, who deeply loved them, to harm them willfully. Therefore their parents had been hoodwinked.
  
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  How service is being conducted with the zoom meetings

  by newsheep in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a friend of ours who is married to a jw said that this morning for service everyone who was on zoom got to do a call while the rest listened in on the call.

  there were thirty-one this morning listening in on one who would call someone to preach to.

  shouldn't the person they are calling on be warned first that there will be so many listening in on their phone call from the zoom meeting.

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  Anna Marina

  Perhaps the publisher doing the call could open up by saying, "please be aware that this call is being used for training purposes."

  I'd suggest the householder should reply that their time costs £100 trillion per nano second and please could they have the names and addresses of both caller and all publishers listening in, together with their email, mobile phone number and bank account details. By continuing the call it wil be assumed all of them agree to these terms and conditions.

  Payment will be taken in advanance so would they mind telling you how long the call will last.
  
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  Religious Affiliation

  by Anna Marina in

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  uk court case - does anyone know if there are actual court cases docs online to do with a may 12th news item on the watchtower's official website?.

  the news item says that the court of appeal of england and wales dismissed an application to appeal a decision of the high court upholding the watchtower's right to follow bible directives regarding disfellowshipping.. it's proving difficult to find online docs about this..

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  Thank you both - much appreciated.
  
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  Religious Affiliation

  by Anna Marina in

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  uk court case - does anyone know if there are actual court cases docs online to do with a may 12th news item on the watchtower's official website?.

  the news item says that the court of appeal of england and wales dismissed an application to appeal a decision of the high court upholding the watchtower's right to follow bible directives regarding disfellowshipping.. it's proving difficult to find online docs about this..

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  UK court case - does anyone know if there are actual court cases docs online to do with a May 12th News item on the Watchtower's official website?

  The news item says that the Court of Appeal of England and Wales dismissed an application to appeal a decision of the High Court upholding the Watchtower's right to follow Bible directives regarding disfellowshipping.

  It's proving difficult to find online docs about this.
  
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  Cardinal George Pell Acquitted Of Child sex Abuse !

  by smiddy3 in

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  cardinal george pell the australian catholic who was the 3rd most senior person in the vatican was acquitted by the high court of australia of all sex charges against him this morning.. after serving about 400 days behind bars he is now free to walk out of jail, to the shock of many.. this should make news headlines all around the world judging by past experience..

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  Bad stuff happens - people have the news reported to them, they are shocked. It gets dealt with but not really dealt with properly.

  Same bad stuff happens again - people have the news reported to them, they are not as shocked. After this has happened enough times, people become jaded and there is little resistance to the unthinkable being legalised. It has been going on for years and Andy Warhol painted the idea.

  https://www.artspace.com/andy_warhol/electric-chair-complete-portfolio-1
  

  I believe it is called Shock Tactics.

  Likely it is one of tools in the box of tricks of the Fabians, who's old coat of arms was a wolf in sheeps clothing. But that blew their cover, so they changed it.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society#/media/File:Fabian_Society_coat_of_arms.svg

  No they didn't change it to the JW logo - but give 'em time. You never know.
  
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  Zoom and JW.org working together.

  by skin in

  1. watchtower
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  who is hosting who here?.

  https://jworg.zoom.us/.

  our kh zoom meeting invites are now coming in from jw.org, but are still hosted by the local elders.

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  Time for anyone with half an ounce of common sense to get out now.
  
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  Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

  by JWTom in

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  i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

  nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

  over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

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  Anna Marina

  Regarding when the Group Study Arrangement stopped -

  I noticed that it coincided with instructions to not use 1st names, even within the Group Study. They were stamping on natural human relations. To not use someone's name is cold and distancing. The apostles did not refer to each other as 'Brother + surname'. The term brothers is used as a collective term in the Bible and maybe as an affectionate term but not as a general replacement for a name.

  Also around this time, they stopped speakers bringing the love from the congregation they came from or had visited. The love was only to come from top down. It wasn't to go sideways.

  All this reminded me of Gestalt Humanistic Psychology - teaching people to live without love, within a cold set of relationships based on contract and money (ie the corporate environment).

  Given it is pretty clear they are nothing but a media and property developing company posing as both a charity and religion, the practice of Gestalt Humanistic Psychology instead of Jesus' teachings seems to be their direction of travel.
  
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  The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  2. friends

  ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

  while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

  we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

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  On the matter of saying other people should be eradcated and claiming connection to Jesus Christ and his Father, the God of Abraham.

  (Matthew 5:43-48) . . .“YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; 45 that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. 46 For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if YOU greet YOUR brothers only, what extraordinary thing are YOU doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 YOU must accordingly be perfect, as YOUR heavenly Father is perfect.

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  (Matthew 5:38-42) . . .YOU heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39 However, I say to YOU: Do not resist him that is wicked; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. 40 And if a person wants to go to court with you and get possession of your inner garment, let your outer garment also go to him; 41 and if someone under authority impresses you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one that wants to borrow from you [without interest].
  
  
  
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  The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

  while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

  we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

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  TD - Spinoza too is in there. But I was just making a quick point as easily as I knew how without going into lots of detail which people are better of doing themselves if the subject is of interest to them. But if it is not of interest or they do not agree, fair enough.
  
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  The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

  while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

  we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

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  Anna Marina

  TD if Kant etc is your thing you are in the same area. I just didn't bother to cover that in the short few lines I wrote.
  

  Crofty its a steer, an overview. If you perceive it as random dots, ok I understand why you might say that. I appreciate that you have your own view and I respect that our views are different.